This morning I received an email from a subscriber who noted that she was having a difficult time reading the listserv digest. More specifically, there were sections of the digest that were rendered nearly illegible due to posts being sent to the listserv in html. I've pasted below a portion of the digest she forwarded to me so that you can see what she is receiving:
@page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}
html posts to the listserv generates the above problem for email clients that either cannot or are not set to render html. Posts that are made in html, however, also play havoc with the online archive. Each week my assistant "cleans" the html out the last week's posts in order to make the online archive readable.
Given these two issues, I'd like to solicit some feedback on the following:
1. Are you having a difficult time reading the digests due to html posts? If yes, can you set your email client to render the digests in html rather than plain text? That is, most email clients allow you to render html emails which removes all of the markup language that you see above.
2. What do you think of prohibiting html posts to the listserv? If these posts were prohibited, anyone sending a post in html would receive an error message requesting them to resubmit the post in plain text. With nearly 4500 subscribers to the listserv it is difficult to come up with a solution that will serve everyone. However, I'd like to find a solution that provides the 'best fit" possible and causes the least aggravation.
Thanks in advance for providing me with some feedback regarding these issues. Please post your feedback to the list.
Best,
Doug
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Doug,
I would be fine with prohibiting posts in html, given the problems you outlined. I'm not sure how posts are generated in html
* is it something the originator could easily avoid?
- Bill Carter
If removing html would help. Please do it. The other problem in digest form is when someone replies with the original message in the body and then someone comments on that with the last 2 messages in the body, etc. I see the first message so many times I can't find the replies. It is very hard to follow the thread. Not sure how to work around that.
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I have never experieced a problem. Text has always been legible.
Thanks.
Yes, the html posting does make it tough to read. However, I have already gleaned enough valuable info from it to make the struggle worthwhile. Make it easy on yourself, just keep sending the info.
Bob
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Most email clients have an option to turn off html. Usually you are given an option to use plain text, rich text (colours and fonts) or html as your default. Another common option is to reply in the same format as the original email. Finally there is often an option to force your email client to read all messages in plain text. Check the options for your email client.
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MOC
Doug,
Please, please, please switch to modern list serv / chat board technology: Yahoo Groups or Google Groups. This gives people the option to turn HTML on or off. This groupware takes care of archiving immediately. People can easily switch between seeing each message or just receiving a digest or just going online once a week and ploughing thru all the messages without cluttering their in box. All old-fashioned list serves have the problem that people reply to messages (or even the digest) and copy 6 previous messages with their reply. There does not seem to be a way to foster text conserving list serv behavior. With Yahoo and Google, I can look at the top few sentences of each message separately, without having to parse thru the same message 5 times within a digest. It's so much more productive. It's a great frustration reducer. Switching to a new system is a great way to clean up your list serve for the folks who have stopped participating, but haven't unsubscribed. I could go on and on and on. There's just no excuse for not moving to yahoo or google. There are many, many other features that yahoo and google provide compared to old fashioned list serves. Yahoo and google have a big staff of programmers that continue to add new features to their groupware. Old fashioned list servs stay old-fashioned and do have the resources to improve themselves. Old fashioned list servs are not sustainable. Yahoo and Google are two vendors that will be around in the future.
- Steve
I agree wholeheartedly! I'm enthusiastic about the idea of this listserv, but right now all it's doing is cluttering my inbox. The online archive doesn't have searchable topics for most of the subjects of the emails, so I'm hesitant to unsubscribe. A change to yahoo or google groups would be great!
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Doug
administer a different list serve and constantly have the same problem. When I asked about it, I found there were some people who had no control over whether or not they used plain text. Sorry I don't have an answer for you. But I wish I had someone to fix my archives like you do!
Laurie
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